mwb970 (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 08:45 AMResponse to Original message
4. Bush has been doing Osama's work all
along.
Could Osama drive our country into bankruptcy? Could Osama
tear up the Constitution and force America to accept a new monarchy headed by
King George the Stupid? Could Osama allow corporations to poison our air and
water? Could Osama cause poverty to go up, wages to go down, and jobs to be
lost? Are more Americans lacking health insurance every day because of Osama's
actions?Of course not. These are things only our government can do to us. Osama
attacked us once. King George attacks us every day. What more could Osama
possibly ask for? He has succeeded beyond his wildest
dreams.
YourBrother (138 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 01:14 PMResponse to Reply #4
23. errrrr
osama received over
3 billion $ from this admin back in the daytalk about creating a problem to act
like the solutionjoin the dots ... open your eyes
YourBrother (138
posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 04:24 PMResponse to Reply #35
37. hehe
you know we could go
on like this all day ... but instead ill leave you with a name, michael
meiringsee what you can find on google ... then see what you can find from the
american press about this guythe only serious terrorists the world over have
been created by the USA in one way or another, either to oust democratically
elected leaders in countries that wont roll over, or in order to strip their
peoples rights for the protection of the precious fleshim not afraid ... i hope
you arent eitherthe vikings knew no fear, i think i might be viking
kenzee13 (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 09:50 AMResponse to Original message
8. About time the astonishing cowardice
displayed by the citizenry
and eagerly promoted and fostered by
this illegitimate cabal is pointed out. What about that "land of the free, home
of the brave" stuff? I just hope that most of us have been asleep, and perhaps
are finally waking up.
YourBrother (138 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 04:29 PMResponse to Reply #8
38. i hope so too bro
a wake up
call is whats neededland of the free? home of the brave?land of the manacled and
home of home of the fat idiot is what it appears to be?ever think you've been
fattened up for the kill bro?it is down to every single right thinking person to
sit down with those less fortunate than themselves and explain whats going on in
the worldi've already started with those around me, you should too bro
peace
Just Me (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 10:12 AMResponse to Original message
9. Expresses my thoughts exactly on the
state of this nation under Bush.
I still can't get over how the
BushCO/neoconters have turned a beacon of hope into a nation of corruption and
barbarianism. We were already loathed for the government-backed corporacrats
exploiting peoples and their resources around the world. Now, what hate for us
existed has multiplied a hundred-fold, for legitimate reason.We are the bad
guys.
OKNancy (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 11:02 AMResponse to Original message
10. Excellent column and I would
add
That we also did Osama's bidding by getting rid of the secular
Saddam. Osama railed against Saddam as early as 1996. Now, Osama will get the
theocracy he wanted...and of course those evil women will be put in their proper
place.
emald (254 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 11:17 AMResponse to Original message
11. yes it has already been done for
OBL
he laughs in his cave of luxury somewhere in the mountains
because he manipulates the fool we call president into destroying america. What
a laugh he must get out of it.George W Bush is the dumbest president ever. What
a moran.
Maestro (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 11:35 AMResponse to Original message
13. The dumbing down of
America
You are not allowed to think anymore. I'm surprised some
are just figuring this out. I sent that to my freeper Uncle. I can't wait to see
what he says. BTW, K & R.
YourBrother (138 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 04:33 PMResponse to Reply #16
39. your government is the terrorists silly
billy
it also financially supported them and did everything in its
power to make it as easy as possible for themif they didn't exist they would
have created themwhile this might be slightly hard for most to swallowi suggest
you look into "operation northwoods" and "michael meiring" through google in
your own timethe truth is, if you think your goverment WONT attack its own
citizens in order to pass draconian legislation ... you aren't well enough
informed40 years on they laugh about things like "operation northwoods" ... i
dont find it funnypeace
PurpleChez (276 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 12:03 PMResponse to Original message
18. Brilliant! An eloquent condemnation of
all that has happened in Amurka
since * took
over.
YourBrother (138 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 05:36 PMResponse to Reply #26
41. 100,000+ ... easily .. and rising
:o(
but not to worrythese aren't real people, like americansand at
least they dont have to worry about being picked up of the street, dragged off
to a torture chamber and never seen again eh? ....get your troops out, and stay
outa group within a group wants world war 3 right nowthey cant do it without
accomplices, let your army personnel know they can refuse to follow ordersget a
ragtag bundle of them together and storm the whitehouse, quickly, before these
monsters get what they want
Mugsy (399 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 12:52 PMResponse to Original message
22. I suggested to a Freeper friend the same
thing last week.
...saying, "They try to excuse torture, violate
our free speech, perform 'sneak-n-peek' searches and wiretap U.S. citizens
without a warrant... at what point to we just declare bin Laden really won?"Then
CNN's Jack Cafferty gave his great "Just Do It" commentary, and now this Op/Ed
in the Miami Herald. I'm glad to see other people are starting to come around.I
loved their line: Who would have remembered Patrick Henry had he written,
``What's wrong with giving up a little liberty if it protects me from death?''
Sums it up perfectly.
otohara (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 01:27 PMResponse to Original message
24. Only Problem w/ This Column - Using The
30,000
dead Iraqi's number. Another Bush lie. The Washington Post
reported in 10/04 the estimate was 100,000. Since Bush pulled out of his asshole
this 30,000 (more or less) number - The MSM has YET AGAIN served as a
stenographer to a chronic liar.
Mugsy (399 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 02:21 PMResponse to Reply #24
27. Most "positive" figure was
used.
According to the IBC website, they estimate between
27,000 and 31,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.The number is likely much higher, but
IBC uses verified reports to draw their number, and it is no surprise that
President Bush would use the "least damaging" figure.I still find is appalling
that anyone could still perceive the GOP as the Party with any sort of "moral
highground". I know a nun that voted for Bush on the "abortion issue" and Bush's
conspicuous "faith". Abortion is up, poverty is up, the environment is viewed as
an obstacle to big business that needs legislation to circumvent, and now we
have a President that cavalierly concedes that over 30,000 innocent civilians of
another country were murdered in a war they hungrily sought, and even after
conceding the intelligence was wrong, says he'd do it again.THAT'S "the Moral
Highground"???
Mr_Scarecrow (201 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 02:24 PMResponse to Original message
28. Can't agree with this
Bin
Laden/Terraism is just another bogeyman like Russia was for a good 40 years. Bin
Laden didn't destroy us, he just set us back towards McCarthy days. During WWII
we had internment camps. We've been here before. More than once. We'll get
through it.
NightOwwl (1000+ posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 03:24 PMResponse to Original message
30. This article proves it is Republicans
who are the real cowards.
"I would have expected proud defiance of
anyone who would suggest that a mere terrorist threat could send this country
into spasms of despair and fright so profound that we'd follow a leader who
considers the law a nuisance and perfidy a privilege.Never would I have expected
this nation -- {{{snip}}} -- would cower behind anyone just for promising to
``protect us."* * * * *Excellent point to make during any discussion about
Bush's actions. Look who's cowering in fear, ready to give up their rights AS
AMERICAN CITIZENS. Well surprise, surprise...it ain't the
Democrats.
chicagiana (954 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 03:57 PMResponse to Original message
33. WRONG ... BUSH ruined America
...
It should read:"How GW Bush ruined America, with Osama Bin
Laden's help".There is NOTHING in GWB's agenda that he did not wish to pursue
before 9/11. OBL enabled GW Bush. And GW Bush enabled OBL to carry out the 9/11
attack by totally de-prioritizing counter-terrorism (and apperantly crippling
NORAD and the Air National Guard).Let's keep things straight. OBL is NOT a
threat to the United States of America as an entity. OBL will not invade and
take over like Hitler did to France. OBL will not infiltrate the US and take us
over from within as the communist were supposed to have been attempting. OBL
only threatens to kill Americans seemingly at a pace of a couple hundred a year
once you average it all out.This is why it is so hard to sell our message. A
couple hundred of dead Americans a year IS a big deal. Yet it does NOT threaten
our national sovereignty. Tens of thousands of Americans die each year from
traffic accidents. OBL doesn't even come to the level of common recklessness by
every day Americans. Heck, gun violence claims the lives of more Americans every
year than OBL. That's right AMERICANS KILL FAR MORE AMERICANS in a year than OBL
could hope to in his entire life.Their will always be an OBL out there. And the
goal for the DEFENSE against terrorism is to simply reduce the phenomenon to a
nuisance (just like Kerry said). You can't kill EVERY terrorist any more than
you can jail EVERY drug dealer. You just end up making more.What Osama could not
do by force, Bush is accomplishing by evil. That is, he is eroding our civil
rights. He is taking away our freedom. OBL could NEVER, EVER have accomplished
this in a THOUSAND YEARS!!! Bush has accomplished it quite handily.Bush is and
will remain a bigger threat the United States Constitution than Osama Bin Laden
will EVER be!!!!!
Raksha (969 posts)
Tue Dec-27-05 06:31 PMResponse to Original message
44. Great article! It really gets to my
increasing revulsion
over this administration's endless
fearmongering (amplified nonstop by the media). We all need to ask ourselves,
why this four-year-long campaign to make Americans AFRAID? Ask yourself why
anyone would even WANT to do that, and the answer becomes obvious. They want to
make us afraid so they can steal our rights and our values in broad daylight,
and so far the strategy has worked brilliantly.Maybe people are FINALLY starting
to come out of their fear-induced trance, though. I would like to think
so.
Start with Bush. Never at ease before the cameras, he now has
the glassy stare and mirthless smile of a cornered man with nowhere left to run.
Nixon looked the same in his last White House days, and so did Hitler, according
to those present in the Fuehrerbunker. As Hitler did before him, Bush raves on
about imagined victories. Spare a thought for the First Lady who has to endure
his demented and possibly drunken harangues over supper. The word around
Washington is that he's drinking again. At this rate he'll be shooting the dog
and ordering the First Lady to take poison, which I'm sure she'll have great
pleasure in forwarding to her mother in law.
What I just read should scare every American. In connection with the spying scandal, where without any court review or supervision the President unilaterally spied on Americans, we now have the purported legal justification for his actions.Of course there was court supervision and review, but why let that fact get in the way of a patriot such as John Conyers speaking lies to weakness? I love some of the responses to Conyers continued idiocy.
rg302200 (24 posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 08:49 PMResponse to Reply #12
47. Exactly....
At
what point does he stop being an elected president and he starts being Adolf
Hitler. The comparison's between the two are frighteningly real and there are
many to go around!Our fore fathers put in the system of check and balances to
protect us against just such a person as Bush. Now he is walking all over the
very Constitution he swore to uphold!
rosesaylavee (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 03:06 PMResponse to Original message
13. Conyers,
you will be remembered as a true American Patriot!Now, lets get this over
with and throw these thugs in jail!
Maestro (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 03:23 PMResponse to Original message
15. Incredible!
What ever happened to checks and balances? All hail Fürer Shrub!
ClintonTyree (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 04:47 PMResponse to Original message
24. Ann Marie Hauser can kiss my rosy, red ass!
If YOUR president wasn't running amok and running over our Constitution like an out of control freight train perhaps Representative Conyers wouldn't HAVE to oversee everything the petty dictator does! If Republicans like Ann Marie Hauser cared more about their country than
their political party we might put an end to this despicable behavior.To Ann
Marie Hauser, "Happy Holidays" and FUCK YOU!
DJ MEW (257 posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 04:55 PMResponse to Original message
26. Can we
please impeach him now
He is way over reaching the power of the office and threatening to dissolve the democracy and turn us in to a Dictatorship. Every thing we need to impeach him and throw him out of office is there, just not the will to do it.This is dangerous territory for our country and we need to throw out this administration right now.
PurpleChez (264 posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 05:26 PMResponse to Original message
27. The whole
thing has now gone from infuriating to chilling.
NOW can we compare him to Hitler?
tavalon (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 06:16 PMResponse to Reply #27
37. Call him a fascist
as I have been since the beginning of 2004
fooj (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 07:42 PMResponse to Original message
43. OMG! The
rat bastard REALLY thinks he's King!
Kick and
recommend!Peace.
McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts)
Fri Dec-23-05 08:47 PMResponse to Original message
46. Ill bet a nickel NSA was spying on Conyers.I used to pass notes in junior high. I hated it when my teacher would intercept them and accuse me of emoting. Especially when I was being "me". Ya No?
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 04:57 PMResponse to Reply
#20
40. Another one.
Read the article. They are going
into private property to plant monitoring devices. That is a violation of the
4th amendment.You too have fallen for the scary bad muslim with nukular device
meme. Get a grip.p.s. they haven't found anything remotely radioactive. Go
figure.
displacedtexan (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:34 PMResponse to Reply
#1
9. Mosques are not "public" places. Want them monitoring
your "church?"
And looking for nuclear bombs or even pieces parts is so
1950's "duck and cover" that it hurts!
merwin (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 05:07 PMResponse to Reply
#34
42. so they could legally bug a confessional?
i
think not. at least not without a warrant. and no, that is no different from
what they are doing. monitoring is monitoring, no matter what the
form
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 04:54 PMResponse to Reply
#35
39. Did you read the article or even the
excerpt?
Here, let me help: "U.S. News has learned. In numerous cases, the
monitoring required investigators to go on to the property under surveillance,
although no search warrants or court orders were ever obtained, according to
those with knowledge of the program."You are falling for the scary bad muslim
nukular bomb meme. Get a grip.
LeftNYC (774 posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:31 PMResponse to Reply
#2
5. www.thinkprogress.org
thank them...more proof that
this is a war on Muslims.
Botany (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:32 PMResponse to Original
message
6. If the FBI or whomever had real info and could
stop a nuke fine
just do it under the rule of law ..... you can get as judge
up 24/7 for a warrant.I wonder how much * and company are screwing up our real
war w/ terrorists?BTW any word on bin Laden?
kevinbgoode (680 posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:32 PMResponse to Original
message
7. Ok...this is where I have to ask the question. .
.
Didn't Pat Robertson....oh, just a few short years ago, make the public
statement that someone should nuke the U.S. State Department? So how come the
feds weren't busily sniffing around the mansions of Robertson and the campus of
CBN and the 700 Club?
LeftNYC (774 posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:36 PMResponse to Reply
#11
13. Surprised Dubya
didnt put all Muslims, except
for oil princes, on a barge and float them out into the middle of the ocean.
This is disgusting.
MisterP (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 05:22 PMResponse to Reply
#11
46. why target Muslims?
that's the unspoken question
behind all this snooping?Heck, William Krar had a compound with 500,000 ammo
rounds, a few dozen kilos cyanide, and race-war propaganda--but he was a
Christian white guy, so he hardly gets national attention, let alone a massive
sweep of Christian neighborhoods and "frequented places"
Demeter (1000+ posts)
Fri
Dec-23-05 02:43 PMResponse to Original
message
17. There's Paranoia, and then there's Just Plain
Stupid
and we are seeing rather more of the latter from BushCo.
Finally we have a Washington scandal that goes beyond sex, corruption
and political intrigue to big issues like security versus liberty and the
reasonable bounds of presidential power. President Bush came out swinging on
Snoopgate—he made it seem as if those who didn’t agree with him wanted to leave us vulnerable to Al Qaeda—but it will not work. We’re seeing clearly now that
Bush thought 9/11 gave him license to act like a dictator, or in his own mind,
no doubt, like Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.
...
And rather than the leaking being a “shameful act,” it was the work of
a patriot inside the government who was trying to stop a presidential power
grab.
...
This time, the president knew publication would cause him great
embarrassment and trouble for the rest of his presidency. It was for that
reason—and less out of genuine concern about national security—that George W.
Bush tried so hard to kill the New York Times story.
I’m just bewildered by this whole thing, and the ongoing maneuvering to kneecap any of our more effective terroristic countermeasures.
We know by now that terrorist cells work much like organized crime, though in a much more shadowy setting than, say, your average don. We HAVE to be able to act on intelligence from them quickly because of the cellular nature of their operations - that requires speed, for which we have to give up something.
IT guys often say you can get it fast, or you can get it right. CEOs say do both, because they have bigger issues to deal with than project management.
No one that I know is saying that gives license for wanton snooping; speaking for myself, though, I’m willing to give up a portion of “privacy” that I didn’t realize I had in order to more effectively combat the people who have declared war on us and are trying to kill us.
Which brings me to what I think is really going on: I believe that the majority of those on the left and a good number of libertarians believe, quite simply, that we aren’t at war; or that if we are, it’s “war” instead of war, and besides, it was based on lies so it really isn’t a war. Also: Halliburton. And anyway, we started it.
With that as an assumption, they then act in ways that are utterly baffling to those of us who believe we are in a war that has many fronts, not all of which are physical.
If you begin with the assumption that, say, the New York Times thinks the war on terror and the war in Iraq are just a bunch of bullshit, then this kind of reporting makes complete and perfect sense. Same with Dean’s and Murtha’s and Pelosi’s and Kerry’s pronouncements.
It’s the kind of fundamental difference that I’m afraid can never really be bridged, much like that between pro-choicers and pro-lifers.
It’s going to take another attack for it to perhaps change, but even then, the left and many of the Dems have an out - that Bush obviously put us in greater danger. They’ve already set up the theorem, they’re just waiting for the proof. A little attack, say a mall bombing, would do just fine. If it’s in a Red State, that actually might be better. That might “wake people up” to the real danger to life on Earth.
They’ve seen that their constituents can absorb a 9/11-style attack, and they’ve seen that the victims of such attacks become even more resolute in their hatred of George Bush and Republicans.
If I’m a terrorist, feeling all bummed by my comrades getting greased along the Euphrates, I’m really trying to find a silver lining. Fortunately, the infidels are cooperating:
-- I now no longer need fear any kind of physical coercion; the Dems have basically put me in the same position as Nigel Tufnel’s guitar: It’s never been played. Don’t touch it. Don’t even point. Don’t even look at it.
-- As a potential martyr, I know I won’t need to comply with a treaty I never signed; I won’t be incarcerated for much more than a fortnight; I won’t be returned to my country of origin; and I won’t be placed in some allahforsaken Caribbean gulag where they pee within 20 feet of my plastic-encased Koran.
-- I also know that if the kufr find my Blackberry, they can’t really do much about checking on my contacts at Harvard and Georgetown. I’ll lose my speed dial to Ahmenedijad (sp?) and Dana Milbank’s (or is it Dana Priest’s?) e-mail address, but I can always rebuild my contacts list.
It’s great. I get all the benefits of being an American citizen and still get to plot its violent demise.
Will the media answer this? No, they are arrogant cowards, and will present a thousand arguements to imdemnify themselves. Their edititors are even bigger losers.
I really think a line has been trampled, as in, crossed.
How did we let that happen?
A few other questions. Why are Congressional leaders, their little punk asssitants and administration leakers not being charged? If you think a "leaker" should be protected, you are an idiot. A father, a brother, a son and possibly a sister is being killed, by these leaks. No one says a thing.
Bastards.
Don't like the truth? Your diminutation of the truth gives power to the terrorists that are killing, yes, murdering, our troops. All you have to do is speak "Truth to Power" from your comfortable little home where you give power to the truth and you embloden a terrorist. You don't believe they read your crap? They transmit it around the world. YOU are murdering out troops, your neighbors, and your fellow countrymen.
Maybe, you'd like a leg or a toe or an arm to hang on your "Happy Holidays" tree. You rock. You have a powerful voice. You make the widow, the child, the believers in democracy, cry. You make widows weep. They feel you cynicism. They feel your stings. They wonder at you slings and arrows of Bu$h's war. And you feel so right. Because you care.
You have a mission.
Losers.
Feel freedom. Let it sing, let it resonate in your mind. You could be human.
Ah, you have "issues" thus you can't.
How sad for you.
"Anybody who doesn't appreciate what America has done, and President Bush, let them go to hell!"
Dec 01, 2005 -- 01:12:16 AM EST
Pelosi comes out in support
of Murtha. "We should follow the lead of Congressman John Murtha, who has put forth a plan to make America safer, to make our military stronger, and to make Iraq more stable. That is what the American people and our troops deserve."
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 30, 2005CONTACT: Brendan Daly/Jennifer
Crider202-226-7616Pelosi: ‘The President Has Dug Us into a Deep Hole in Iraq; It
Is Time for Him to Stop Digging’
Washington, D.C. – House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi
held a news conference today in response to President Bush’s speech on Iraq. Her remarks are
below:
"What we heard today was a commitment to the status quo – a status quo that is not working.
"The ‘Plan for Victory’ backdrop against which the President appeared at the Naval Academy today was no more accurate than the ‘Mission Accomplished’ backdrop he used over two
and a half years ago on the USS Abraham Lincoln."The President did not have a plan for victory when he went into his war of choice in Iraq, and he did not have a plan for victory today.
"The American people expected that the President would do more today than
just put a new cover and 35 pages of rhetoric on old sound bites. What the
American people wanted from the President today was some evidence that he has
heard their concerns.
"Clearly, the President fails to understand that a new course is needed in
Iraq. The President has dug us into a deep hole in Iraq; it is time for him to
stop digging.
"He offered a status quo plan that would not accelerate the training of Iraqi security forces, would not motivate Iraqis to assume security responsibilities more quickly and bring American troops home."Instead, he suggested that we send more troops and spend more money in Iraq. That is not what the American people want.
"The President says that the security situation in Iraq is getting better.But Iraqi’s are saying it too. That’s right, they don’t count. They’re just little Semites, not important democrats just trying to take back their power.
But just because the President says it, does not make it so.
"226 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq in just the last three
months. The Generals have told us that the presence of large numbers of U.S.
forces in Iraq encourages the insurgents. The President provided no specifics on
how, or when, the number of troops will be reduced.
"With more than 2,100 American soldiers killed, thousands more woundedWhat he provided today was part of his evolving plan for the war in Iraq without giving out the aforementioned coop plans. Also, what he owes the American people is a STFU stick to smack you with.
grievously, and hundreds of billions of dollars spent, the President owes the
American people more than he provided today.
"We should follow the lead of Congressman John Murtha, who has put forth aIbid.
plan to make America safer, to make our military stronger, and to make Iraq more
stable. That is what the American people and our troops deserve."
James H. Dean, brother of Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, lives in Connecticut and heads Democracy for America, a group that is gathering signatures on the Internet for a letter that criticizes the senator.
An aide to James Dean said he and others from the group would deliver the letter to Mr. Lieberman's office in Hartford on Tuesday. The aide said the letter had 30,000 signatures.
Other Democratic activists warned that they might try to organize
a primary challenge against Mr. Lieberman, specifically because of his position on the war.Tom Matzzie, the Washington director for MoveOn.org, a liberal
advocacy group with 10,000 members in Connecticut, said it would consider a challenge if the right candidate came along."It's like a betrayal," Mr. Matzzie said of Mr. Lieberman's stand on the war.
"If you chance to see any of the 'Copperhead stripe' who desire to know what we think of their 'Peace Convention' and 'Compromise Resolutions,' please tell them we would rather meet them with arms in their hands in the rebel ranks, than to hear of their traitorous and cowardly efforts to stab us in the back."--portion of an unsigned letter dated Mar. 23, 1863, from a Private in the 80th Ind., Evansville Journal newspaper, Evansville, Ind.
In an interview with WOAI-AM in San Antonio, Dean criticized what he called President Bush's "permanent commitment to a failed strategy" while saying, "We need to be out of there and take the targets off our troops back." Dean recalled that the strategy to stay the course in Vietnam cost thousands more lives to be lost.
"I wish the president had paid more attention to the history of
Iraq before we had gotten in there," Dean said. "The idea that we're going to win this war is just plain wrong."
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